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newbie_of_doom · Dec 09, 2010, 07:26 PM // 19:26

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Originally Posted by drkn

I don't enlighten the seller about the real market value of their good they're selling to me. This way i bought an unded Grawl for 7k a year ago, sold for 250e the same evening.
Never had to lie per se, just 'hid the truth'. But that's what trading in MMOs is about, ain't it?

This, I wouldn't lie and I would give a honest respond to any asked questions. But I would have bought that grawl for 7k as well.

Xamthrax · Dec 25, 2010, 06:53 AM // 06:53

Scamming is for fools i help people that dont know the right prices i wouldnt never abuse that

pedrobds · Dec 25, 2010, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by Xamthrax

Scamming is for fools i help people that dont know the right prices i wouldnt never abuse that

so if someone said WTS Unded Panda 8k, you wouldnt buy it?

if you say no thats very hard to believe...

superraptors · Dec 25, 2010, 10:12 AM // 10:12

its also very hard to believe anyone would sell a panda for 8k

i dont know why you would tell someone the right price or pay for the right price to begin with, thats not how powertrading works.... scamming is when both players know the value of the item, and one decides to attempt at dogging them - like offering 10g instead of 10 plat, and getting a good deal is when the other player doesnt know the value while the buyer does.

getting a good deal is one thing, scamming is on a complete different level and has nothing to do with "getting a good deal"

i like to take advantage of buying at the lowest possible price, its practical and smart.

why would you want to pay for an item with the intent of reselling at the exact or slightly more or less price?

Vallen · Dec 25, 2010, 01:13 PM // 13:13

I would lie for a good deal without a second thought, not my fault the other person doesnt know whats true and what isnt

I would never knowingly scam a person though, like the frozen ecto one you mentioned, or putting 10k in instead of 100k etc...

StueyG · Dec 25, 2010, 11:35 PM // 23:35

I have to call shenanigans on the people claiming to always buy for the "correct price".... there are no actual prices in Guild Wars except for things at the trader, and even then people pay less than those prices and I'm sure none of you buy all your ectos, etc, from the trader. Sorry but either way you are getting something cheaper and you are just a hypocrite now for saying you always pay "correct prices". Who are you to say what is fair pricing and what isn't? Also I've seen tons of in game price checks, and most of those people that "help" really have no clue.

I do not lie to people to get things cheap either - I have had people ask me what the price is and I tell them or just say that is your job - this is my offer take it or leave it. If I see a good deal in game I will grab it. I know too many farmers that just want to get rid of things and to them selling low is all they care about, even when I tell them prices - for them they make loads just getting rid of things quick, that is why companies have suppliers and retail product for higher prices. It is part of daily life in the real world, get over it.

Wrath of m0o · Dec 26, 2010, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Have to agree with Stuey here.I cant stand waiting around in Kamadan when i could be off enjoying the game.

Some people play the game to sit in kamadan.

Some items i admit im stubborn on getting what i want for it, and other times if it doesnt sell, no one in my alliance wants it, it goes to some new player in ascalon. I have much better things to do, but i hate destroying something that could be put to good use by someone less fortunate.

MrSchism · Dec 27, 2010, 07:13 AM // 07:13

I do occasionally lie. However, it's usually nothing major.

I'll jack up a price to double or nearly double if I have multiple items (for example...I had 8 Ungues of the Oni). I'll then offer it as 2-for-1 just to get it out of my inventory.

They wind up paying the right price, they just get two of the item so I don't have to deal with it.

novawhiz · Jan 12, 2011, 06:40 AM // 06:40

it is 100% sellers fault/responsibility. If they dont take the time to find out what their sht is worth then thats their loss not mine. Your not a hero for convincing someone to let you buy something for more. If someone says wts panda, and i offer 8k and they accept how is that immoral or wrong in anyway. The Seller isnt forced to sell anything or ever hit the accept button if they dont want to. Whether they are lazy/stupid/high/etc and sell their stuff for cheaper than normal, i hardly see how thats a bad reflection on the buyer.

Sure, i can tell the guy your panda is worth millions of gold, dont sell to me for 8k. I can also run around giving random people stacks of ecto. The next time im going to buy a pack of cigs i can instead give the money to a homeless man. You can just go on and on about all the things you could to feel all fuzzy inside but your not a hero.

Tricking people into buying something false like Special Presents or a Long Sword "Cry Sword" is one thing, but a mutual consent on a cheaper than usual trade is another. They want what they want and get it, i want what i want and i get it. Nothing wrong about that

cataphract · Jan 16, 2011, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

I wouldn't lie but I have no problem with taking advantage of someone who is misinformed.

I wouldn't lie either but I wouldn't take advantage of someone not informed about the worth of his or her wares either. Many years ago I turned down a guy selling his Elemental sword for 20k. Told him to post in here and he sold it for like 800k a few days later.

Needless to say I made a friend and that beats any GW profits I could have made. At least in my book.

Gabs88 · Jan 26, 2011, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by Magezi

"This purple Crystalline sword is one of the rarest swords ingame, it doesn't drop anymore, I got it from a chest 4 years ago!!!"

Inscribable, purp crys swords are some of the rarest in the game ;p And heck, i'd love to have one over a gold

Gutemuh · Jan 26, 2011, 08:03 AM // 08:03

There is a thin red line between a crook and an honest but clever trader.
Everyone draws that line for himself.

I believe that how you act in this game is who you are in reality.
Not determined by one action alone, but by the sum of your actions.

A guy who preys on noobs ingame over and over again, claiming free market rights; a guy who cheats and steals constantly with no regrets, will do the same thing in real life.
Maybe to a lesser degree, there are laws, social restrictions etc. but you will see see the same thinking patterns.

I’ve seen this with guild mates and friends over and over again.
How you act ingame is who you are in reality.

Muh

Rites · Jan 26, 2011, 08:07 AM // 08:07

with all the noobs that have recently picked up GW, its kinda hard not to scam

if someone hollers out a WTS item i want, i whisper asking for price, if i know the value is higher than what that person is asking, i let them know and see where it goes from there. usually with the newer players, they are willing to take a drop in value if they are told that their original asking price is too low.

superraptors · Jan 28, 2011, 12:28 AM // 00:28

thats how real life works, greed is good.

Aycee · Feb 03, 2011, 06:43 AM // 06:43

Lmao... to be completely honest.

I wouldn't do the switching out 100k-100g or the frozen ecto type scams. But if someone does not know the value of their item, well then it's their loss and my gain.

Tommy's · Feb 03, 2011, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by cataphract

Needless to say I made a friend and that beats any GW profits I could have made. At least in my book.

This. Thank you <3

And I understand not every single one will turn out as a friend, but the feeling in my heart that I did the right thing beats any amount of GuildWars gold by far. Try it sometime

Lasai · Feb 03, 2011, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by Tommy's

This. Thank you <3

And I understand not every single one will turn out as a friend, but the feeling in my heart that I did the right thing beats any amount of GuildWars gold by far. Try it sometime

Exactly. while you may be able to lowball a misinformed noob, one day they won't be a noob, and will know exactly what you did. Screwing over people for the sake of short term pixellated gain is fail.

Matrix Arcade · Feb 03, 2011, 05:03 PM // 17:03

no its pixels I don't give a shit.

SkyFallsInThunder · Feb 20, 2011, 05:17 PM // 17:17

I don't lie, but I don't offer him the truth that he was too lazy to discover, either. I would never say a q9 VS is worth only 50k and that he is a noob to think otherwise. I would not offer false information to him, nor try to mislead him. But I will always offer low when asked to. Why? Simple. If he does not take the time to know the value of his item, but goes to the market right away, then I won't bother to help perpetuate his laziness. I cash in on my knowledge.

There are many websites where one can observe the flow of the market. Even sitting in Kamadan helps a lot, too. This is not knowledge saved for a chosen few, and denied to the masses. Guru even has a Price Check section! All one needs to do is ask!! But if one is too lazy and cba to bother, then one can't claim that he was deceived. He deceived himself by ignoring this. And those who don't know about it, why don't they? Have they tried to find out that such a website exists? Have they tried asking their guildies? And if they don't know, have they tried finding some who do? How can someone expect something to just be handed over to him, without his smallest effort, that of asking?!

And if one chooses to "just play the game" rather than know its economy, too, then how can one complain that he was cheated out of an expensive skin because he did not know its value?! Didn't he choose to ignore that aspect? And isn't a blue collector shield just as effective as a tormented one? Isn't it hypocritical? One preaches the former, but does the latter?!

All the people who know the value of items on the market do so because they took the time to discover it. They spent their time in order to acquire this knowledge.

Some say that this is taking advantage of other people's ignorance. Damn straight it is! But whose fault is it? Is it the fault of the one who takes time and patience to understand how the market works? Or is it the fault of the one who expects everything to be handed to him? I got tons of whisps from people I never met before for price checks, and I always answered to the best of my knowledge. Because they bothered to make that smallest of efforts, to ask. Not to spend hours after hours to learn for themselves, even though that would seem the logical way. But to ask.

We all should help each other, but this has some limits: if one does not help himself first, if one does not show any interest in helping himself, he is only worthy of contempt and deserves it fully.

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Originally Posted by Gutemuh

They are stupid.

I never claimed that.

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Originally Posted by Gutemuh

You can rationalize all you want: In the end: if you screw a noob your not nice guy, period.

Then I guess I'm not. I look out for me and mine and I try to help others when possible, but only if they show a bit of interest themselves.

But, like you said: whatever floats your boat.

Gutemuh · Feb 20, 2011, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Self justification is normal human behaviour.

Read up on some of the biggest criminals in history. Practically none of them saw themselves as a bad person, even through they committed crime after crime after crime.

I’m not saying you are like that, but four paragraphs of why and when it is ok to take advantage of noobs in an online game, shows just that.
They are stupid.
They are lazy.
They deserve it.
You can rationalize all you want: In the end: if you screw a noob your not nice guy, period.

Everyone draws his own line.
As long as you can live with your choice, all is fine.

Muh